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interest in foreign -- foreign power to use its leverage over the government, whether it's financial, diplomatic or political to try and shape what the egyptian government here is doing. on more than one occasion, they have said that they take into consideration their allies, their concerns of international community, but when it comes down to what's happening here in egypt, they are making their own sovereign decision. so they are striking a more defiant tone when it comes to the type of -- the united states and the european union are talking about perhaps cutting off aid or shaping the economic benefits of this relationship. today the saudi king pledged his commitment to pledge money to the egyptian government so they feel some type of financial constrictions from foreign powers. they have already pledged nearly $12 billion in aid to the egyptian government. they say they're willing to give it more if need be so long as
those countries don't interfere in egypt's domestic affairs. >> i want to bring in richard wolf and sam stein. richard, we were talking about the europe upon union and the americans and exactably what sort of leverage they somewhere over the egyptians. there was also an interesting piece in the "new york times" discussing just how complicated our relationship with the egyptians is. the u.s. war strips have preferential passage through the suez scandal. there's a whole host of things that egypt gives us strategically in other parts of the world. >> this is a military to military relationship than just the dollar amount. the idea that america would want to just give that up is simplistic. it may sound sort of very principled and of course that's
the way the politicians would like us to believe that foreign policy is run, with the exception of president bush's second inaugural run, that's not the way that foreign politics has worked its way through foreign policies. the leverage of these dollars is pretty small when you're talking about a regime that's fighting for its very survival. that's why we supported mubarak all these years. but this president supported his ousting. and other than that, we are back to where we have been for many, many decades with egypt. >> sam, it's become as it always is political football. it is i guess a good time to be republican in terms of foreign policy because they can criticize without actually having to propose specific measures. how do you think that plays out in the coming months if the president doesn't actually do
anything? >> that's a really impossible question to answer. the people who are being assassinated by the military, now they claim that they are trying to please. richard's right, it's not like you can flip a switch, on august 12, there's an announcement for a 13.6 million dollar contract to be given to the egyptians. this is what the defense has done, they have maneuvered in every district, in every state. >> that's the flip side of this, is you don't actually think of
american jobs -- the reentrance of hosni mubarak, amid all of this? what tease talk in egypt right now so far as his release? >> the issue of former president hosni mubarak has been one of the most galvanizing and most dramatic ousters -- the most interesting thing, the fact that today a cairo court said that he can be released. now keep in mind, he's facing a lot of different legal charges,
that happened in the -- in the grand scheme of things as one more example. his emergence on the scene if he is released in the coming day, that would certainly be a very explosive issue. i'm not sure if everyone in egyptian society would welcome it. but it would certainly be a very controversial issue to say the least, alex. >> nbc news foreign correspondent amman mojadine. amman, stay safe. david miranda was on his way back to rio from berlin where he had been meeting with a docume t
documenta documentaryi documentary. his electronic possessions including his cell phone, lap top and memory sticks contain -- were all confiscated indefinitely. richard, unsurprisingly, glen greenawald had a few things to say got this. his response was its bad enough to prosecute and imprison sources. it's worse still to imprison journalists who tell the truth. your thoughts? >> what's despottic is killing european nationals. egypt at the moment is under despotic power. this is all wrong, it's stupid. and it duds send a chilling message to the journalists working on this. let's be clear, he wasn't just the partner of glean greenawald, he was acting as a go-between. that's not to say that's a reason to detain him.
but he's something more than just the partner of a journalist. he was engaged in this journalism. and it's not surprising to anyone that anyone with their democratic ko -- when you come combine immigration powers with terrorism powers. there's pretty much absolute power in the british system. it's surprising that they could only detain him for nine hours under the british system. it's wrong, it's stupid. it's abhorrent for any journalist. >> even if he was in middle ground, this is the terrorism act. i don't really see what he could possibly be detained for that's a terrorist act. what is he doing? >> you're surprised that -- national security -- >> i'm going off of what you said, he was working with the guardian, he's not some family member. i'm wondering why the fact that he was working with the guardian changes his status.
-- >> your point here is that, i think, a journalist -- journalism is now being associated in a sort of open way with terrorism. the espionage act, or terrorism -- >> what is a hook in this legislation that lets them detain anyone that is, i don't get the association that miranda had with terrorism at all. that is something like that movie in the name of the father, where they were detaining people because of weird associations of the ira. this is really dark stuff. >> let me say for the fourth time that this is wrong and abhorre abhorrent. >> the national security apparatus of the uk and the u.s. believes that they can justify everything that they do, which is a gross intrusion of privacy and constitutional rights on the grounds of fighting terrorism. so how can it be surprising to anyone that they invoke
anti-terrorist laws that were passed in the most unrestricted fashion to sweep in this kind of activity. they wanted to get their hands on every electronic device he had and apparently they seized some information. they are trying to intercept everything that's going on. >> so it sounds like a shorter version of that is terrible but unsurprising. >> -- and is therefore unconstitutional on sunday trayvon martin's mother sabryna fulton spoke out. >> you can't give police officers the right to stop somebody because of the color of their skin. just because there are more
murders in our community, doesn't mean that you can treat all of us like we are guilty. >> mayor bloomberg responded to his critics, defending the controversial policy and warning against striking it down. the absurd result of such a when it comes to policing political correctness is deadly. sam, it is interesting how mayor mike bloomberg plays defense. on friday he said that public housing residents should be fingerprinting as a crime fighting measure. >> yeah, and that brings up an interesting, the broad question here, is technology, you know, encouraging this national security state? are we developing means of screening people, of testing people, of detaining people, of questioning people that is real really introducive much farther into scour privacy.
we're about to hit the dimension returns. we're getting to the point that people are really fed up with what's happening. i think people are just really tired of all of these different policies being instituted. >> i would say, i think the nsa stuff and stop and frisk are slightly different insofar as the racial element. >> what are we willing to do to prevent the next x. >> we have to ask that question. i sort of want to talk a little bit about bloomberg's legacy here. because this is a man with, i mean he's coming out swinging and swinging hard complete ly -
how do we treat each other in this sort of cloud of suspicion that now hangs over certain sectors of society? >> i think bloomberg will leave a legacy that's pretty damned solid. gun violence, environmental policy, in those respects he's pushed agenda items that people find very popular. but the police stuff has gotten people very riled up, especially because the statistics are just -- they tell the entire story. when you have stop and frisk and you go out and defend this policy as an absolute necessity. >> 83% of all stops are featured black and hispanic men and women. >> all right, coming up, terror, surveillance and security clearance. plus, is the pot legalization movement moving to mexico? that is all ahead on now. too big.
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but instead of arrests and citations, this year police handed out 1,000 bags of doritos, including tips. while seattle police might be stuck in 1973 with their marijuana references. other lawmakers are ahead in their space time continuum. >> we cannot simply prosecute or incarcerate our wait to a safer nation. >> but the feds have yet to decide on how they will respond to colorado on washington's ballot initiate tys legalizing pot leaving both states in legal limbo. meanwhile a spike in drug crimes across the border has sparked mexico's legalization movement.
vicente fox called the war on drugs a total failure. pressing president obama not to say no just for the sake of saying no. joining me now is the editor-in-chief of high times chris simenac. >> were you surprised -- >> it is surprising when someone that big does a mea culpa, but considering the violence that ensued in the wake of his presidency presidency under the called roan administration. i'm not surprised at all. you're talking about 80,000 people dead in a war that, you know, when you militarize prohibition, it explodes. and i think that's what you're seeing there is the absolute worst side of prohibition. >> at one point in the interview, he says he want to
shift this interview from criminals to -- i think most people who are in favor of legalization understand that the tax implication is part of it. but criminals becoming businessmen. a lot of these drug cartel lords are incredibly violent people who have done a lot of really awful things. is that in effect sanctioning the transformation of cartel bosses into businessmen? >> he is working with jayman shibley who's a microsoft executive and he's the guy who wants the start the starbucks of marijuana dispensaries in the united states. i'm not sure that's the greatest idea either. >> that sounds like a really great idea to me. but i just really like starbucks. >> i think what he's talking about is getting new people to grow marijuana. not shake hands with the cartels and say, you know, let's partner
up. he's talking about producing in mexico what we're starting to do in washington and colorado. >> and sam, the legalization question here in the u.s. seems to be coming closer and closer, edging closer to acceptance that pot may one day be a legal substance. a piece about legalization of marijuana in hum bolt county, colorado, the condemnation of the war on drugs of the mechanized imprisonment of much of our inner cities. the sheer cost of prohibition now likely past a trillion dollars has now migrate -- 20 states have legalized pot and colorado has washington have legalized it for personal use.
>> amazing too. but summertime specials. >> exactly. i think -- you know, i think marijuana following the -- when you have state that do things and say oh, my god, maybe it's not the end of times that i thought it would be. other states will inevitably follow that state. so what we have knew are colorado and washington leading the way. but i wouldn't be surprised at all if it started moving further and further along. i think people do want to m monopolize these things. >> i'm sure you've been following these city governance
races very well. a can date for mai your told the guardian, regulating marijuana sales would raise $400 million an yully just in new york city alone. regulating marijuana would also offer relief. this issue -- you have main stream liberals who want to see decriminalization of low level drug offenders, they want to say taxing on the sale and growing of marijuana n that way, having broad coalitions on an issue like this, i think speaks very positively about the direction that this may go. >> i totally agree, and i also think we're looking at the ages of the baby boomers. so you've got a whole generation that passed through this and really wasn't that shocked by it
the first time around. you know, what's missing here is the regulatory piece of it. so the last remaining argument is you don't know how strong this stuff is, and who's controlling the dosage that goes in. the bureaucrats are going goat their hands on it and are going to start putting a percentage proof rating on whatever -- >> maybe that's a great thing. >> it would mbe a great thing because the security part is the piece that's missing. what started out as a decade ago as these weird questions the presidential candidates would face in town halls have definitely moved into the main stream, no pun intended. it is inevitable, the argument will be made that this can be made safe, it's not worth the cost, and there's a public health piece to it. not just for the medical piece of it. if you can make the supply safe,
you're going to have less people who don't know what dosage they're getting. we're a couple of steps away from it. >> chris, the need is always been it's a gateway drug and once you legalize it, everybody's going to be stoned. if you look at the numbers, in 1985, drug laws were fairly stringent. 33% of young adults had tried marijuana. 1 1999, 34%. not a huge change in usage. to me that says it's not a huge spike just because it's more regulated, it's more legal. >> the gateway drug argument is more absurd than when they said that it made men grow breasts. >> you can go back to "reefer madness" where you can say it
causes people to murder people. alcohol is the most likely gateway drug and as far as regulating and like you said, i think the marijuana community wants to know what's in their marijuana, they want to know how it's grown and is this organic. >> you could be having -- there are fair trade issues, there are environmental issues and there's no reason to think that the pot consumers wouldn't want the same sort of information. >> find it interesting your thing about the broad coalition that is growing up around it. because conservatives, not the moral conservatives, but certainly the libertarian conservatives, i went to sea-pac a year or two ago, they were surprised. "high times" is here. i was the most popular guy there. >> how is the circulation at "high times?" we on this show talk about pot, i think, probably more than other shows.
there's no reason for that other than the issue of the day. and i wonder, as we become sort of more fluent in the issues around legalization, how is it doing for the business? >> we're doing great. this is going to be our 40th year come january. we got a year-long celebration planned and we're pretty good at celebrating. >> that's awesome. >> we have various cannabis -- the next one is going to be in seattle on the 1st of september. >> sam stein-- >> i have never heard of a year-long celebration. >> obvioeditor-in-chief of highs magazine, chris thank you very much. wildfire season rages on over the weekend.
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several days. it's only about 8% or 9% contained. that containment line will -- firefighters are certainly doing all they can. there are some 1,200 men and women who are on the front lines, they are tackling this blaze not just from the ground, but from the air. it is a stubborn and massive fire. it's certainly a big fire that crews are trying to wrap themselves around. it's going to be -- the next 24 hours is going is to be critical because wind speeds will be gusting at close to 20 miles an hour. the winds ignited this blaze and made it multiply in size. it was sparked by lightning. but in the last couple of days, it really has exploded. those fuels aid by that wind has really taken off. some 5,000 homes are threatened today. thousands of people have been evacuated and of course as you may know, this area is partly
home to some celebrities, there are some exclusive area of homes here, multimillion dollar homes, firefighters trying to protect every community that this fire is approaching. this is certainly a very critical day over the next 24 hours. >> miguel, i don't think we can overstate how serious this is. the fire's been burning for 12 days. every fire has a personality and this fire has an angry personality? >> they say it's been erratic and very aggressive. which is to say that firefighters don't know which direction it's moving. as a matter of fact they say the bliz is moving in two separate directions. it's dangerous for firefighters, the fireballs can send embers down the road. those flames can get behind firefighters, they cannot outrun those flames. it's certainly dangerous for those firefighters.
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cameras and you don't know who is watching, there's no shortage of paranoia. >> normally getting a taxi can be quite difficult this time of night. >> i see you using more than one taxi now. that's a good idea. >> what did you say? >> it's okay. apparently i'm paranoid. >> joining me now is the director of "closed circuit" john crowley and one of the stars of the film, eric bana. gentlemen thank you for joining us today. i was saying that with the promotion of this, i don't think i have seen such a magnificent promotional series of engagements yet in my life. >> all outdoing, of course. we are the masters of all those
events. >> it is actually an incredibly timely movie and these are issues that we're discussing both here at home and internationally and i wonder, to what degree you have done this film and there are all these issues out there as far as the surveillance and surveillance state and what you think about all of it and how much that has sort of informed your thinking? >> i think every film you do, gets you closer to the -- the news, and this was no different. i mean with everything that's going on now, and whether it be the julian assange stuff or the edward snowden stuff, you do have a slightly different type on things for shush. >> do you think ooitsz more orwellian than it was five years ago? we do take it to quite a lot of degree, but at the same time, i don't think it takes a huge conspiracy theorist to sit there
and say, this is not impossible. >> and what drew you to the story, john? >> i thought it had the makings of a really smart adult thriller, which asked a few very timely questions about the extent to which, as citizens we're comfortable with what the government are going to do on our behalf. and if they break the law north to protect our security, are they in danger of undermining the very thing they're actually setting out to achieve in the first place. >> given that, and given what's happening in england today. are you more or less convinced that we are doing a good job of debating these issues and that government is as responsive as it should be to that debate? >> i think it's fascinating, i think london is apparently the most surveyed city in the free world. and that seems to have happened with very little comment other than a handful of very unspoken
commentators in the press. and i can't quite tell whether that's because people in general as you walk across london are happy that it helps a degree of comfort that you feel that it's more protected or whether it's happened so subtly and quietly that civil liberties could be eroded in that situation. >> the clip that we showed, the paranoia on your face, this is why you're a great actor. but i wonder as you got deeper into the film, did you find yourself taking home some of that paranoia? >> you always take a little bit home with you and that was the great challenge in this film and john and i had a lot of time to map that out. one of the most important things in that film was mapping out that journey of paranoia and suspicion and making sure that we track it will all the way
through. we're representing people in court and we can't suddenly become martial artists, which was very important to us. >> we have a long history of judges as martial artists in the united states. i understand how you have to mike those concessions. john we were talking about this during the break, but the idea of global attitudes towards zillions. a critic in the media has wrote about privacy, and that privacy has jumped the shark, that it's no longer relevant to the conversation. he writes, the truth is that privacy jumped the shark in america long ago. many of us don't care about having our private zeta -- with open eyes and full hearts to anyone who asks and many who don't. we don't like the government to be watching, but most of us are willing to give surveillance a pass rather than forsake the pleasures and rewards of
self-exposure, convenience and consumerism. do you think the same is true for the audience in the united kingdom, the audience in europe, the audience around the world? >> i think you may be a little ahead of us with some of the technology. i feel what's interesting is the way in which people have embraced social media and the idea of confessional, through technology and it sort of throws up a very interesting debate of the nature between privacy and secrecy. and i don't think that's going to go away any time soon, those issues. >> eric, you have had some really heavy roles in terms of what, munich, troy to a certain degree, i think the incredible hulk is a story of sort of man versus nature. what drew you to this role in particular? these are stories about sort of the state and manage's powerlessness in the larger frame work to some degree? >> the script read extremely
well, i love the that genre. he's somebody who's in the -- there's people out there who present one way but behind the curtain is another issue entirely. the story was apparently, you have a comedy album, is it called out of bounds? i was in a sketch comedy group in college called out of bounce. >> wow, which came first, alex? >> yeah, that's a good question, but that links your pasts.
a movie a thriller, not actually at all. that was my background for many years. and a lot of sketch comedy. >> just a hint, maybe the next film can be a comedy. anyway, we're moving on, director john crowley and actor john bana. the movie is "closed circuit j in theaters august 28. 16 women have accused san diego's mayor of sexual harassment and bob filner returned to office after two weeks of sex therapy. that is next. max and penny kept our bookstore exciting and would always come to my rescue. but as time passed, i started to notice max just wasn't himself. and i knew he'd feel better if he lost a little weight. so i switched to purina cat chow healthy weight formula.
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work? mayor -- filner has just completed two weeks of behavioral therapy. it is amazing to me that he is shamelessly going back to office. clearly this guy has some serious problems. let me just say in a separate subject. i understand why you couldn't have me and eric bana on the same panel. too much male magnetism. >> it's true. we have to make the tough calls. >> as we segue awkwardly from
your handsomeness to a sexual harasser in office. there are 1.2 million people in san diego. there are millions of people in new york city. there are millions of people who are being forced to put up with the candidacy of anthony weiner. >> but they don't have him as mayor yet. >> they don't. but will this just be a chapter in bob filner's book? will he go and as he crossed a boundary, i mean he has crossed a boundary. >> don't you -- >> these politicians think if i spend enough time fighting it out and people will move on and forgive and forget. but there are some things that are are unforgivable and unforgettable. i don't see how he can ever recoup his standing in -- >> that is a healthy, healthy
amount of eco sicgo tichl. they have 39 days to get 101, 9 -- >> just have to explain why you're there, you have to get people to trust you. it's not the easiest thing in the world. i wouldn't be surprised if they do it. >> especially over the outrage of female victims of military sexual assault would be enough of a driver. we will see. >> that is all for you, sam. for being on set, back and forth. >> for just wrapping the show. thank you to richard wolfe and that is all for now at noon eastern. josh barr josh -- you can find us at facebook.com. andrea missi"andrea mitchell re
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